The Twilight Saga

Ok, I was just wondering what would have happened if Edward really lured Bella alone and sucked her blood. Would his family throw him out or something?

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They would most likely be VERY dissappointed in him, but I think that they love him too much to do that. If anything, Edward would probably find a way to kill himself for doing that to Bella.

No.... He didn't fully realize that he was in love with her until the near-carcrash-accident. I think he would just feel remorse for what he was becoming. A monster, something he had tried not to be.

he wouldn't have killed bella anyway because he has always only believed in killing bad people, or animals to feed on, however if he did kill bella then he would have been killed by the werewolves because of their agreement that the werewolves cant touch the cullens unless they kill a human.

True....

But, I think there is a underlying symbolic message that Carlisle's character symbolizes through out the twilight saga.

Think about Carlisle's upbringing and his Reverend Father's request of hunting down the "evil" or obscure that was unknown or defied the church. Carlisle became the very thing that his father hunted down and was repulsed by...

A Vampire!!!

Carlisle represents....not hatred or narrow-minded Religious dogma/Fear......but.... openness, acceptance, unconditional Love and forgiveness. Contrary to his father's beliefs and attitude towards the individuals who challenged the church laws.

Unfortunately....Carlisle describes his father as a distant man who was intolerant of others....and killed vampires due to the principals/laws of the church that could not explain/understand the supernatural. This is why Carlisle had to hide/conceal  himself from his father, when he was turned into a vampire..."in fear" his father/church officials would have killed him. Carlisle's father had zero tolerance for the ''unknown" realm of the supernatural or redemption for those who have sinned or were conceived of a ominous nature.

Carlisle has chosen to instill his created/adoptive vampire family with ''tolerance'', reform. "free-will" and unconditional "love"....

Opposite of how his father raised him and his 'narrow' religious ideology.

So...no I don't think Carlisle would have rejected Edward or kicked him out for accidently "killing" Bella....unless he completely implicated the family or directly compromised their well-beings as a result of indulging in her blood....

You've made some very good insights into Carlisle, but I have to disagree on your last point. Even if Edward had killed Bella I don't think Carlisle would have done anything accept forgive him and move his family. They had done it when the others had slipped up. In Midnight Sun he tells Edward that they have done it for the others. I know they had done it for Emmett and Rosalie.  So I think it was something that Carlisle looked at as an unavoidable regrettable consequence of their nature but it was forgivable. In Edward's case I think it would have been easier for Carlisle to forgive since he was responsible for turning him.

Sara....

You know I forgot this quote from Midnight sun:

"I knew that he would forgive me for this horrible act that I would do. Because he loved me. Because he thought I was better than I was. And he would still love me, even as I now proved him wrong."

Edward Cullen, Midnight Sun, Chapter 1, p.16

And I think you are right, Sara....because Edward could read every internal thought inside Carlisle's mind. Edward knew his father/creator would forgive him...even if he implicated the entire family. Like you stated,...they would simply pick up and move.

Now...as for his adopted siblings....I'm not sure they would be as forgiving if Edward implicated them or publicly exposed their identities...because then they would have the wrath of the Volturi to contend with, too....

Midnight Sun is a interesting perspective inside the vampire mind of Edward Cullen....and how polarized he was with his instinctual vampire thoughts and exhibiting self-control for not partaking in human blood. It was a fine line...a constant struggle between submitting into his urges and maintaining morality within himself. I think this internal struggle/discourse was all Edward had left to remain connected to his humanity. His struggle/suffering made him feel alive....and his penance that kept him from acting upon his vampiral impulses. It was a fragile existence...and Bella challenged this coping mechanism to the fullest extreme....but, it was a very close call for Edward...and through this weakness...he found his greatest internal strength/will/purpose.

Carlisle was so wise to understand that rejecting Edward for a potential lapse in weakness...would not help Edward. And Edward had to find his own inner strength and mistakes can happen within that  realm of discovery. Like a true Father/parent...sometimes you have to let your child "fail" in order to help them grow emotionally. Carlisle truly represented parental and spiritual/Godly unconditional love.

 The context of the word "FATHER".... means so much more than just the patriarchal role in the Twilight saga. Carlisle was Edward's creator/Father but also his moral/spiritual compass. This is evident when Edward states in the above quote: "He loves me, he thought I was better than I was" (just like God unconditionally loves humanity, despite how much we sin against him and with each other).

Also this quote from Edward in Midnight Sun shows the role of Carlisle as a FATHER FIGURE and a moral/spiritual guide:

"In a few moments, there would be nothing left in me that would reflect the years I’d spent with my creator, my mentor, my Father in all the ways that counted. My eyes would glow red as a devil’s; all likeness would be lost forever."

Edward Cullen, Midnight Sun, Chapter 1, p.16

Sara...thanks for correcting me...you are wise in your observations....

I enjoyed our exchange...and thanks for challenging me...

Love,

Danette

 

Sara....

I had another thought for you to ponder or reexamine:

A prominent theme in the twilight Saga is "ACCEPTANCE" for what and who you are....

This is Evident when Bella accepts Edward for who he is despite being a "vampire"/"monster" and wanting to kill her...

She believes/trusts in "him" more than he believes/accepts himself....(just Like Carlisle).

Reciprocally,...Edward loves/accepts Bella even though she is a "HUMAN"...who is flawed, clumsy, shy and plain. Edward doesn't want Bella to become a vampire, in fact, he clearly tells Bella he will always love/accept her as is. "HUMAN", young or old....he will love her no matter what....or the  current state-of-being she is in. It is Bella who doesn't accept this..and can't believe Edward loves a ordinary "human" who is susceptible to aging and flaws...

Acceptance is essential for loving/trusting another unconditionally.....

Also...the wolves and the Vampires...who are natural enemies...learn to accept each other for their differences and learn to live in harmony....

What do you think?

Danette

I thought I would add that I agree.  It makes me happy to be able to agree with people that sometimes I don't get the chance to agree with. :)  Certainly acceptance is a strong theme throughout the books and it is a great theme. 

Absolutely. Acceptance runs through the entire series. It also comes into play between Bella and Jacob when she finds out he is a werewolf. Once she knows he is not running around and murdering people she has no problem with it. 

In Breaking Dawn it happens over and over again. Edward even comes to accept Jacob as Renesme's future husband which is a monumental shift from where he started. And in return Jacob comes to accept Edward. Someone he vehemently wished to kill only a short time before. I think the only resistance to the whole new relationship between the Quileutes and the vampires was Leah and Sue to some extent. I think it gives us some understanding Meyer's own worldview. Differences can be overcome. There is always some way to come to understand and accept those who are different from you. It's even a theme in her follow up book The Host.

lol. It's been quite a while since I've put this much thought into the Twilight universe. I don't think there is anything in your analysis that I would disagree with. I would perhaps add just one thing. Edward and Bella have a common personality trait, neither of them can see their own strengths clearly. It also prohibits them from seeing each other clearly. Edward feels that being a vampire erases any kind of worth in himself and therefore can't see that he does have qualities that make him worthwhile. He can and does feel love. He feels it intensely towards his family and towards Bella. He doesn't see that his love for her and the herculean control it allows him is truly remarkable. He can only see the potential harm to Bella it may bring. In fact in causes him to hate himself more. So while I agree that parents sometimes think better of their children than they deserve, Edward had a difficult time thinking there is anything good about himself at all. So when I read the excerpt from Midnight Sun I read it through that prism. Carlisle may have a better grasp of Edward's capabilities than Edward. But in any case, as we've discussed he would have readily forgiven him.   

But yes, Carlisle is definitely a Christ like figure in these books. Anyone he meets is immediately struck by his inner light. The whole dichotomy is very well done. People are reading material that has a very moral chord throughout and many don't even realize it. I think it's a reason people are so drawn to these books even if they don't know why.   

 but I still think that if he hadn't thought of his family for even two seconds, Bella's blood would have set him off. Anyway, acceptance is the key to get anyone anywhere in this book.

NO way! they would never throw edward out, but i wonder if he would get addicted drained all her blood till she died or if his family would be strong enough to get him to stop the temptation

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