Jacob's and Bella's Kiss
I am always changing my mind through new moon and eclipse who would be better for Bella! I want to know whether she really meant that kiss or was just trying to keep Jacob from doing something silly?
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Permalink Reply by JJ on -
No, she is not. But Bella shares the same values as her mother: love toward music and books. Forks can not give her it, La Push even less.
-- Bella's mother has a short attention span and changes her "love" randomly. It makes sense that she would lose interest in Charlie, in Forks, in the sweep-you-off-your-feet romance that she had with Charlie. Again, Bella is nothing like that.
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Permalink Reply by Elita on
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Even if Rene has those problems, she still loves classical music which is not common thing in Forks. Bella is like her. She would feel herself boring in La Push and Forks very soon.
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Permalink Reply by JJ on
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Elita, we need to agree to disagree on this subject. Neither of us are going to change our mind and neither opinion can be proven or disproven.
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Permalink Reply by Pinkie on -
Elita,
If I am reading you right, you are saying that the only way this makes sense is if Bella is merely recalling what Jacob had already said to her in the past and she is merely thinking of what he said. I have a lot of thoughts about that but I will see if JJ answers before I say anything more as her answer may resove some of them fo rme.
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Jacob fooled Bella, and she tried to stop him from doing something terrible. In the book this is evident, in the movie they made it look like he indeed was desperate.
First she was surprised how different was the kiss, then she enjoyed, then regretted and started to cry, and then she was angry on herself.
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Permalink Reply by Barbara Allen on -
Stephenie really showed a lot more of the complexity of Bella's feelings in the book than in the movie. The Jacob/Bella kissing episode was very hot - way hotter than the movie suggested. Of course Bella felt guilty because it was hard for her to admit that she was in love with Jacob, too, just not as much as with Edward. Then she had the guilt of that kissing episode and the more complex feelings about Jacob to deal with - yet she still chose Edward after all that. I would have been disappointed if Bella hadn't gone all the way through to realizing that she still wanted Edward above all, despite all the advantages there would have been had she chosen Jacob. And make no mistake: I love Jacob. I am so happy Jacob eventually gets what he really wants: to imprint on someone who will enhance his gene pool and that Renesmee gets what she needs: someone who could protect her forever, someone all her own who could eventually give her children, too.
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Wow. How different we see things!
Reading about Bella&Edward kisses, I felt sparkles between them. Reading about Bella&Jacobs kiss, I felt sorry how dumb Bella was and how easily Jacob tricked her. It is not what I would describe as 'hot'. Kiss seemed so wrong, so unnatural! and yes, it was cheating although Bella was not planned and, I should give her that she was ashamed after it.
Moviemakers tried to make Bellas kiss with Jacob look hot - way hotter than it was in the book. First, they cut out Jacobs manipulation - in movie Jacob indeed was hurted and desperate to fight. Second, they added such things as beautiful nature, romantic music, TIME - did you notice that whole Eclipse movie did not find time for to show sweetest moments between Bella and Edward? Book was full of love, movie left their love story behind. Kiss between Bella and Jacob was long, longer than any kiss between both lovers Bella and Edward.
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Permalink Reply by Barbara Allen on
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I went back to Eclipse and read the kissing scene carefully. Bella didn't respond to Jacob at first and he felt it. He insisted that she let go and when she did she really felt and knew she was in love with him, just no where near as much as she was with Edward. Yes, Jacob manipulated her and she fell for it but Bella already felt so guilty about her need for Jacob when she couldn't/wouldn't return his feelings that she allowed herself to be manipulated. In the book the kiss might have even been longer than in the movie but really movies have to do shorthand to tell the story. So much of each of the books happens in the characters heads. If Jacob in the movie had said the same lines as the book it would have really made me feel more upset with Bella. The romantic proposal scene in Eclipse was very satisfying romantically for me, showing Edward's deep love for Bella and her overcoming her sexual desire for him. Both of them put the other before themselves.. Bella finally really understood Edward's stubborness about marriage before sex and he also protected her soul.
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I think Bella felt guilt not because she needed Jacob but because she felt she betrayed him! He did spend so much time with her, always tried to make her feel good... She thought that he had similar heartbreake as she after Edwards leaving. Charlie constantly reminded her how hard time Jacob had after her taking Edward back and ordered her to visit La Push. Bella did care about Jacob and, when he put her face-to-face with her feelings, she decided that it was love, too.
Let's face it: Bella did not feel need for Jacobs body. She kissed him because of fear not because of wanting. Yes, she felt pleasure - for a while - and then started to regret it. Compare kisses with Edward...
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Permalink Reply by Barbara Allen on
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I think we are more in agreement that you might think:Bella already felt so guilty about her need for Jacob when she couldn't/wouldn't return his feelings that she allowed herself to be manipulated. I didn't say outright that she betrayed him although I'm not so sure she betrayed him because she had warned him that holding hands meant something different to her than to him. SHE might have felt she betrayed him because she kept him close despite the disparity between his feelings for her and hers for him. In her mind it was only right if she created distance but she couldn't do that. Jacob was responsible for keeping her alive and she knew it.
In New Moon she wouldn't let him kiss her even when Edward had been gone for months. She told him she wasn't ready. Yes, I agree that fear drove the Eclipse kiss in the first place. I do agree that she didn't feel a need to have sex with Jacob yet she was attracted, just not enough --not as much as she was attracted to Edward.
I'm just so glad that Stephenie made the saga make sense from every angle for me.
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Permalink Reply by Pinkie on
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To be clear: I believe what Meyer writes. I do not believe what she says!!
She writes excellent love story, full of emotions, manages to show it's light and dark sides, makes us to feel for characters - and then out of blue states that girl is in love with another one... although girls actions in Meyer 's own books do not show any signs of falling love with another one. Only proof is girl's words (which happens to be in contradiction with her actions) and author's statement in interview. So should I believe to book or an interview? And what if after some years Meyer will change her mind again and will say that Jacob always was like a little brother for Bella?
Elita
This is in the wrong place, but I wanted to post this directly to your name and have you receive the email for it, so I came here.
You and I read and interpret comprehend and apply Meyer's work much alike and I wanted to share the reasons I think explains some of that. I know you are not from the United States, but I think our educations may be very similar as to how to be an effective reader. I found this on line and it speaks to much of how I read and so I wanted to share this to see if it sounds true for you as well.
The three levels of comprehension, or sophistication of thinking, are presented in the following hierarchy from the least to the most sophisticated level of reading.
Least = surface, simple reading
Most = in-depth, complex reading
Level One
LITERAL
- what is actually stated.
Facts and details
Rote learning and memorization
Surface understanding only
TESTS in this category are objective tests dealing with true / false, multiple choice and fill-in-the blank questions.
Common questions used to illicit this type of thinking are who, what, when, and where questions.
Level Two
INTERPRETIVE
- what is implied or meant, rather than what is actually stated.
Drawing inferences
Tapping into prior knowledge / experience
Attaching new learning to old information
Making logical leaps and educated guesses
Reading between the lines to determine what is meant by what is stated.
TESTS in this category are subjective, and the types of questions asked are open-ended, thought-provoking questions like why, what if, and how.
Level Three
APPLIED
- taking what was said (literal) and then what was meant by what was said (interpretive) and then extend (apply) the concepts or ideas beyond the situation.
Analyzing
Synthesizing
Applying
In this level we are analyzing or synthesizing information and applying it to other information.
So to read the story is level one. You read and listen to what it says at that point.
Level two is how we interpret what we read.
THAT IS THE PART I WANT TO FOCUS ON NOW.
Here we read and connect one part to other parts to see how the story flows and we learn if it does or does not. This is the job of the reader and the better you are the better you understand the story. However when this they disconnect without the ability to pull them together, then that means your book is flawed as they do need to connect. (This is furthered in the third level. But recognizing the flaws comes when the level two items are not lining up in a story. That is why you have issues with the story...Meyer made mistakes not the reader/you).
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