Jacob: “To See Him Or Not To See Him” That Is The “Eclipse” Question!
At the start of the Novel “Eclipse,” as Jacob leans back against his motor cycle, he breaks the news to Bella that Edward has been lying to her. Edward's “Wouldn’t it be nice for us to visit Renee in "Florida move" had been nothing more than a deceitful facade.
"Edward had lied to her, and had taken Bella out of town, rather than being honest with her. And in doing so, he had endangered the lives of everyone Bella loved. (Edward knew that Victoria was planning on coming to Forks durring the weekend and killing Bella.
Bella was understandably, hurt at being betrayed by Edward. And she could not stop from crying over the way that she had been treated. As she wept, all of her classmates witnessed her humiliation. Bella finally turned and demanded that Edward stop lying to her
Finaly the school's principle ordered Jacob off of the property, or threatened to call the police. Which caused Jacob to break into a mocking laugh at the thought of his strongest supporter, (in his winning Bella's love "Charlie") coming to arrest HIM! What a total Joke!!! Charlie had been trying to persuade Bella to "Love The One That Is Good For You (Jacob) For Months!!
Before Jacob left he told Bella that, if she ever decided to live in the real world with a "real man", La Push was only minutes away.
Edward’s argument that, there were inherent risks in being around young vampires was not with out merit.
B But Bella really did miss, sharing with her “best friend’ Jacob
And Bella knew that her father strongly felt that she should be with a “positive” influence like Jacob, rather than Edward. (Who Charlie found barely tolerable)
And also, Charlie’s offer to release Bella from her punishment “of being grounded” (for going to save Edward's life) was “semi-conditional” on her reuniting with Jacob.
D Discussion questions.
1. Should Bella have gone to see Jacob ?
2. Do you think that Edward’s motives to prevent Bella's from being with Jacob, were driven more by his concerns for her physical safety, or because of his concerns that her visiting would only increase Bella and Jacob's love for one another?
3. Do you think that Charlie sincerely wanted Jacob for a son in law, or do you think that he mainly wanted to use Jacob to seperate Bella and Edward?
4. What do you think Charlie really felt about Edward in specific and the Cullen's in general?
I agree entirely with you about Edward'
With his maturity and nobility. I don't think that he was as worried about Jacob as he was about Paul. Paul of course came within moments of killing Bella. I think that you are right Harry Clear Water and Billy were Charlie's dearest friends after Whalen was eaten.
HC to BS Q : " Don't worry about those Bears, Bella, I can use my powerful mo-jo on them". I also agree with you about Charlie's respect for the Cullen's. But it did take Angela (sweet girl) 2 weeks before she could sit comfortably next to Alice. But as you might expect Charlie fell in love with Alice.
I think that the old Victoria was a beautiful girl BUT to me she just seemed rougher and tougher than other girls. Which is EXACTLY why I think that she was so perfect.
WOW what an insightful point. I agree I think that she was in denial. But I think that consciously and subconsciously she knew that it would always be Edward. What if Edward was as much in love with Angelina as Bella was him. But he still had feelings for Bella ,"Would he have gone to see Bella knowing that all it could do was hurt Angelina, Bella, and even himself? I don't think so.Your advice about her just leaving him alone reminded me of a lecture about love, I heard years ago. The topic was "How long do you need to spend with someone who still loves you, to return him or her to the same degree of pain, that they had just weened themselves away from? The answer was just moments. His point was that if someone is not right for you the kindest thing is to simply go away. And never contact them. The most loving thing to do is to, make it: As if you had never existed. He felt that that was the kindest and most loving thing to do.
I think that you are entirely right about Edward. I think that he mostly driven by fear of Bella's potential for getting physicaly injured, by going to La Push. But that he also had a little jealousy as well. ED to RS "I a'm a man! I have humam feelingd." He was only vampire after all. But not long afyer his denialm he did let her go to the campfire. I just keep remember my professor saing: Just one phone call, can put the person you are separating from fight back into a "funk" Your theory that "he was angry at himself." Was right on. To me he proved that when he expressed his anguish over Jacob possibly being killed. He quite properly accepted the full responsibility for his actions. (Did Bella accept her's?)
3. You say" Charlie might say that Jacob was the son that he never had. I hadn't thought of that, but when you think of it what a perfect match, Charlie and Jacob would make.JB to BS "The thrill of the hunt!" Bella quotes a passage out of Wuthering heights. Edward shows that he is the perfect match for Bella not by asking the meaning of her quote. BUT BY CONTINUING WITH THE QUOTE WORD FOR WORD. Did either Charlie or Jacob have a copy of Wuthering Heights ? Heck no. At the most they might have have would be a TV guide or copy of a "Sports Illustrated" magazine between the two of them. When Bella turns on Edward's stereo he simply looks at her with a questioning look ( an "Are you disappointed that I love classical music look) And says De Buse', Bella doesn't skip a beat, she continues his statement for him "Clair de' lune, that's good!" And you just know that they are perfect for each other. Mr Banner says"You (Bella) were in advanced biology placement weren't you. Yes she says. Edward loves science "You know the square root of Pi " He says with astonishment (and Joy
Just as Edward passed the flat worms to Bella. Jacob could pass the worms to Charlie for a life time. But they would be big fat night crawlers to bait his hook with.
When Bella is with Edward the conversation never ceases. "Is that it!! Edward says after a 3 hour session of Bella's wanting to lean every single thing about him. "My turn tomorrow to quiz you (all day) "Will that satisfy you? (Bella says) No, I will just be getting started. Bella eats her dinner with Charlie."We sat together and ate. He helped himself to a second helping of steak and potatoes. Neither of us said a word durring the entire meal. Bela isn't taciturn at all. She just never found a man who could keep up with her. If Bella ever asked Jacob if he had heard of De' Buse' he would say "Why of course, he was the older blond movie star that was in a motor cycle accident. The guy that threatened the first responders to "pull their endocrine glands out." Bella would just have kept rocking her little boy and said. "Just wondering. Are you and Charlie going fishing tomorrow? We are down to a five year supply of fish. (If every one takes second helpings for the next five years!")
Dear Debbie, You make a powerful observation: You should always follow your heart. In another discussion we were talking about the fact that dating is the period specifically designed for you to learn about people that you might join for life. And engagement is the period that you are committed, but you still havent accepted total commitment. As Tara Vampara taught us in another discussion: Edward would have subconsciously (at least) wanted Bella to be with Jacob, so that she wouldn't have to go through eternity wondering if she made the right decision by being with him. You make a wonderful point in your "He's only human?" statement; I think that he even says that himself when Bella is quizzing him about if he finds her physically attractive. And I think you are right Charlie would love to have Jacob as a son in law. And hunting partner. And I think that you are right. It seems as if every time Edward is around "Too" much" Bella disappears. Thanks you for sharing your insightful observation. And for your compliment about the discussions. (That means a lot.)