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Stephanie Meyer's Used "Twilight" To Explore Love. How Many Of Aristotle's Six Different Types Of Love, Can You Give Examples Of From Her Novels?

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Stephanie Meyer's Used "Twilight" To Explore Love. How Many Of Aristotle's Six Different Types Of Love, Can You Give Examples Of From Her Novels?


Introduction: Stephanie Meyer said that she, "Was fascinated by the way love impacted on peoples lives." And that her book "Twilight" explored how, "Some one by looking at life through the perspective of love, (Bella) would affect the lives of those around her .

Two of the fathers of the science of Philosophy, Aristotle and Plato were also fascinated by the topic of love. And how it impacted on peoples' lives.


To help them better understand love, they created specific names for what they felt were the primary forms of love.

By 325 BC they felt that specific examples of love, could by classified into one or more of the six following types:

1. Storge: Natural affection, such as the love a parent has for a child.

2. Phila: The love that develops between two or more friends.

3. Agape*: pure love, loving solely for the sake of love.


4. Erose: (Original definition) The love that can develop between a man and a women.

5. Erote: Love inspired by the physical attraction between a man and a women.

6. Xenia: The love that develops between a host and his guest.**The host fed and provided quarters for the guest, who was expected to repay the hospitality only with gratitude.

Question: After reading the novel "Twilight" give an example from the story of each of the Aristotle's six types of love.

And example of how to answer one part of the six part question:

Example: Erose: I feel that when Bella was sitting in Edward's lap, and he tells her that, she had said "I love you Edward" in her sleep. And she turns, and whispers in his ear. "I love you." And he embraces her, and says, "You are my life now!" Is a good example of Erose.


YOU CAN CHOOSE YOUR EXAMPLES FROM ANY OF THE SAGA NOVELS.


* Some words change meanings with time. For example: Agape meant, "Pure love" in 325 bc, but it came to mean "The type of love a parent has for her or his child" by 65 AD, and in modern Greek it now simply means "Love."


Observation: This question was inspired by a Tweet discussion I had with an English professor, who knew I loved "Twilight." He said, "My students have gone "Twilight" crazy. It's all they want to talk about. How can I take advantage of their enthusiasm," he asked.

"There are lots of ways I responded, "You could, have them identify plot and character similarities between "Twilight" and some of the wonderful literature that inspired it's creation. Or here's an idea I said "Do you remember Aristotle's six different kinds of love.......

So at a large State University hundreds of students are scratching their heads, looking at their exam papers, and trying to answer the same question that is before you today. I am certain that the questions are the same, since to help a friend, I wrote them both. Doc B

Around the world hundreds of High Schools and Colleges are trying to find ways to introduce the phenomenally popular "Twilight Saga" into their curriculum's. Question such as this one, and some of the others, you have answered" will help show them how. lol DB


**Xenia the love between a host and a guest. This may seem like an odd form of love to a modern woman or man. But in ancient times when foot and horse travel restricted movement to only 20 to 40 miles a day. And there were no safe public rest areas, it was an essential form of love to have if a civil society was to exist. As hard as this may be to believe, there are still isolated pockets in America's Southern States were people take joy in experiencing Xenia, be they either host or guest.

We sincerely look forward to learning, what your opinions are on this topic. BLIND POSTING RECOMMENDED*

Most sincerely,

Doc B http://tinyurl.com/kuqvlf

* BLIND POSTING RECOMMENDED: AS BELLA WOULD SAY. Do you post like a COWARDLY LION ? Example: You write a response to a discussion question. But before you post you opinion, you read what everyone else has posted, Then half the time you end up deleating your posts because someone else has already posted an opinion along the same line as yours.

OR: ARE YOU EMMET CULLEN'S FAVORITE TYPE OF POSTER: The BURLY BEAR ! Who writes his or her reply to the question. And then has the courage to post it, with out looking to see what anyone else has already said.

Why does this matter so much ? Because time and again someone will write a post with a simply brilliant thought, and then say "Oh, I almost deleted my response because, I found out that someone else's post contained 70% of what I had written. BUT DON'T YOU SEE ! IT OFTEN WAS THAT ONE LINE BRILLIANT THOUGHT, WHICH ALMOST GOT DELETED, that turned a good discussion into a great discussion.

We all love Edward and Bella. BUT COULD EITHER OF THEM LOVE A COWARDLY LION ? NO. They both could only love someone who had the courage to stand up to them! As Jung said: You can never find love or success UNLESS you are courageous. So type up your answer, close your eyes, and hit the "publish post box"
GOT AN E-MAIL FROM A STUDENT ORDERED TO DO HER MASTERS PAPER ON THE TWILIGHT SAGA. NOW THATS A GOOD PROF.

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Oooh I SO wanted to be first for this one...and I think I am...
Here's what I pulled up in Wikipedia to help me with this...my Greek is very rusty, I took it in high school,which of course was ages ago. It didn't list 6 words, it only listed 4, but I believe a couple of them are offshoots of each other.
Agapē (αγάπη agápē) means "love" in modern day Greek, such as in the term s'agapo (Σ'αγαπώ), which means "I love you." In Ancient Greek, it often refers to a general affection rather than the attraction suggested by "eros." Agape is used in ancient texts to denote feelings for a good meal, one's children, and the feelings for a spouse. It can be described as the feeling of being content or holding one in high regard.
Eros (ερως érōs) is passionate love, with sensual desire and longing. The Modern Greek word "erotas" means "(romantic) love;" however, eros does not have to be sexual in nature. Eros can be interpreted as a love for someone whom you love more than the philia, love of friendship. It can also apply to dating relationships as well as marriage. Plato refined his own definition: Although eros is initially felt for a person, with contemplation it becomes an appreciation of the beauty within that person, or even becomes appreciation of beauty itself. It should be noted Plato does not talk of physical attraction as a necessary part of love, hence the use of the word platonic to mean, "without physical attraction." Plato also said eros helps the soul recall knowledge of beauty, and contributes to an understanding of spiritual truth. Lovers and philosophers are all inspired to seek truth by eros. The most famous ancient work on the subject of eros is Plato's Symposium, which is a discussion among the students of Socrates on the nature of eros.
Philia (φιλία philia) means friendship in modern Greek. It is a dispassionate virtuous love, a concept developed by Aristotle. It includes loyalty to friends, family, and community, and requires virtue, equality and familiarity. In ancient texts, philos denoted a general type of love, used for love between family, between friends, a desire or enjoyment of an activity, as well as between lovers.
Storge (στοργή storgē) means "affection" in ancient and modern Greek. It is natural affection, like that felt by parents for offspring. Rarely used in ancient works, and then almost exclusively as a descriptor of relationships within the family. It is also known to express mere acceptance or putting up with situations, as in "loving" the tyrant.

C.S. Lewis, one of my absolute favorite writers, wrote a book called The Four Loves, which is an excellent exploration of these words and their implications/influence on human relationships with each other and God.
Now, I will go with Doc's 6 listed, to keep with the theme of the discussion, but I thought it would be nice to add extra explanations.I love to be wordy! As far as Twilight...
1. Storge. Examples of this kind of love, which is typified by the love of parent for child, are many. Charlie's love for Bella, Renee's love for Bella...and Bella's love for her parents has a very strong parental overtone on her part toward them. She took care of Renee even though she was the child, being the one responsible for cooking and paying bills and rescuing her mother from her sillyness...and when she moved in with Charlie she did the same thing, making sure his physical needs were mets, etc. Also Storge is the way Carlisle and Esme feel for their adopted "children", although all of them are physically and emotionally adults.
2. Phila/Fila. The love that develops between two or more friends. This is a very strong theme for SM's books. Bella bonds with Angela in a deep and quiet way, and vice-versa; she also bonds with Jacob as a friend, though there are other overtones to her feelings for him, and vice-versa. Jacob and his pack brothers share a very intense "filial" relationship (hey Doc, did ya catch that one?)...and even Edward and Jacob bond in this way, after much time and many trials. Then there is also the friendship between Charlie, Billy Black, and Harry Clearwater, who sadly dies in the 2nd book; although neither of their characters, esp Harry's, is very well-developed, the relationship between those men is vitally important to Charlie.
3. Agape. Pure love, living only for the purpose of love. This kind of love is used by Christians to describe the love of God for his Church, and how his followers should love one another. As far as Twilight, this could be said to be part of the pairing of imprinter/imprinted with the shape-shifting Quileutes, and also a bit for the way vampire partners feel for each other. A high rate of suicide exists after one partner of these kinds of pairings, according to SM...exemplified by Edward's death wish after he though Bella was dead, and how the wolves would battle each other to the death if one of them killed the object of their imprinting, even by accident...
4 & 5. Erose/Erote. This is the one which started as a single root word (eroi) that split into two words, though they are very similar in meaning. Erose has a more mental/spiritual connotation, while Erote has a more physical connotation. Erose in Twilight would be when Alice and Jasper ismply stare into each other's faces when they reunite after separation...Erote is how passionate Emmett and Rosalie are for each other, with their house-breaking (literally) ways...Edward and Bella are a good mingling of the two: they constantly touch and look at each other, with the physical intimacy and spiritual/mental intimacy present in each part.
6. Xenia. The love between host and guest. I love this one: I am Southern, home of Southern Hospitality. Just like my forebears, no one ever leaves my home hungry, thirsty or tired! An excellent example of this is in Breaking Dawn when the Cullens did everything they could to accomodate Jacob and his pack, even though Leah and Jacob were much more reluctant to accept said hospitality.
So do I get an A Doc? ;)


THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR NOTE I SHOULD HAVE SAID "FROM ANY BOOK IN THE sAGA."

I HAVE EDITED THE POST TO CORRECT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
DOC b
Doc
This certainly a hard one, but absolutely brilliant

Storge love. This can be seen quite easily between Bella and Charlie, Bella and Renee, Bella, Edward and Renesme, Edward, Esme and Carlise, even Bella, Esme and Carlise. All show this consistently throughout the book.
Examples:

-Bella and Charlie- Even though it does not come easy for Charlie to show his love, he does love Bella immensely, this is shown from putting snow chains on her tyres, to worrying about her when seeing her onto the gurney after van incident, to watching hopelessly in New Moon whilst she is in pieces, defending her to Billy on the phone, to in Eclipse giving the "Sex Talk" and absolute pride when she gets her first university exception, to Breaking Dawn standing with red-rimmed eyes watching his beautiful daughter all grown up and married, too excepting the weird just to be close and see her.
"I love you forever dad" I told him "Don't forget that"
"You too, Bells. Always have always will"

-Bella And Renee- OK i know their relationship blurs out some what compared to the beginning and it also works slightly backwards with Bella being the parent, but still there is that affection that love there. Renee first Emails to Bella getting frustrated for not hearing from her know she is OK, sleeping in the hospital when Bella was hurt, and flying out to try and bring her to Jacksonville when Edward had left is being her mom. But, it is relative to say that in the books their is more about Bella being the parental love, worrying about Renee being cared for by Phil, reassuring her like a parent that things are fine when she emailed Renee back. Renee shows some parental concern when they visit her making her observations about Bella's and Edwards relationship(reminds me of my mum).
"I'm worried about you and.... Edward"
"You two are more serious than I'd been thinking"
All very mum things to say as Bella says this is her loving her daughter and worrying about her being in a relationship so young(definitely like my mum). This is natural when you love a child.

-Bella, Edward an Renesme- Firstly Bella's instant motherly love for her "nudger", i know until Edward sees her as a baby he doesn't feel the same but after that he does, they both play the proud parents and love her indescribably. Then, there is the sacrifice they make to fight for their beloved daughter, for Bella to know she has to give her Jacob to look after and love her when she might not be able too, to ensure her safety no matter what. Any parent would willingly give their life for their child because of the love for them.
"I love you too" I said and then i touched her locket "more than my own life"

-Edward, Esme and Carlise- We know that they are no related by blood(no pun intended), but that doesnt always matter a relationship and love can still be this way. Carlise always seems to have that proud parent outlook with Edward he sees the best in his son even if Edward does not see it himself. He loves him along with Esme both wanting their son to be happy and have joy in his life like another parent it seems to come natural to them both to be parents to their family. Esme's joy to Edward finding someone however the situation is difficult it matters not to her, Carlise's praise for Edward saving Bella from the van, whether or not it was the right thing to do he save a human not normal behaviour for a vampire(carlise being the exception) he is just a very proud parent! Their love between them to me is actually quite beautiful that’s how it makes me feel.

-Bella, Esme and Carlise- There is love there almost instantly, its almost like the moment that Edward feel in love with her not only did Alice too but as did Esme and Carlise. They are willing to fight for Bella's life not just because Edward loves her because they do too. In a conversation between Carlise and Jacob in Breaking Dawn Jacob says
"She's family to you?" I asked Carlise. It had caught my notice before, when he'd said i'd help the restof his family, too.
"Yes. Bella is already a daughter to me. A beloved daughter"

Phila: The love that develops between two or more friends.
There are many examples of Phila, which can also be seen as brotherly love too.
I would say these would be Bella and Jacob, Bella and Alice, Bella and Angela(however short lived), Jacob, Quil and Embry, Seth and Edward, Billy and Charlie. I will include the Alice and Edward and Edward and Emmett too as they seem to fit in this love for me.

-Bella and Jacob. A lot can be said throughout these books about their friendship. It does develop into different love and then changes again in Breaking Dawn. In Twilight when Bella first meets Jacob she instantly likes him feels she can talk to him with ease, this is true friendship. We know that also at the same instance that Jacob already finds Bella attractive and that doesn’t change. But, from the beginning these two fall in with each other easily. In New Moon, when Bella is broken, Jacob does his best to make her feel better and is there for her when she needed him, there is some selfishness on Jacob’s part for wanting more, but he is still their for her all the same. Bella says in the books that there is a kind of sibling love there from the beginning and that does last throughout the books, yes it develops too more but the basis is friendship, they are the strongest of this love, they have no secrets, they know everything about each other. That’s what best friends are.

Alice and Bella- If you have Read Midnight Sun, you will of seen how frustrated Alice gets with wanting to have Bella as her friend, and even though at the point Bella is completely oblivious of this loving friendship Alice is not. Their love is strong sisterly love, even without her gift Alice knows Bella inside and out, she knows that even though Bella is not big on the idea of getting married, Alice knows what will make it perfect for Bella and what Bella really would of liked. Alice even brides Bella with her love which always makes me laugh
“please, Bella, please-if you really love me…..Please let me do your wedding”

Bella and Angela- I think that these two would been good friends permanently if circumstances were different. Both good and kind people they would of just glided along being friends easily

Jacob, Quil and Embry- We see that when Embry becomes part of the pack and Jacob doesn’t know, it’s not just the anger with Sam for taking him, it’s the hurt that Embry has left him and the same happens when Jacob becomes part of the pack then Quil foes through the same thing. When the pack split in Breaking Dawn, and the Jacob meets with Jared and Quil is with him the love between them is evident
“…but Quil hesitated. He yelped softly and I took a step toward him.
“Yeah, I miss you too, Bro.”

Seth and Edward- One very unexpected loving friendship, showing that difference make no difference, when you care about each other. These two, do love each other more than comrades, like brothers, I think that Seth is too sweet and kind not to love him anyway but their fight in the mountains that united front solidified a unique friendship, one in which no one expected.

Billy and Charlie- These two are like a couple of old women, they bicker and have argued but, that friendship is there. We don’t know if Charlie has brothers or sisters, I am guessing not but, Billy is the nearest thing he has too one.

Alice and Edward have a wonderful understanding of each other, with their gifts it does bring them closer than the rest of their family but as Alice was an addition later on to the family, that may of not happened. But, again they really care for one another.

Emmett and Edward their love for one another is stronger that with Jasper, Emmet’s tell it like it is attitude, I think helps Edward because he is quite serious and he lightens the mood for Edward and lays it out for him less complicated which helps when Edward is such a developed thinker sometimes you need that in life, this is where they totally compliment each other and always seem so typically brotherly.

Agape, I looked this up for more insight on the word
Many have thought that this word represents divine, unconditional, self-sacrificing, active, volitional, and thoughtful love.

I wonder who we can link this too?
Bella- This love has always been Bella throughout the whole Saga we see this time and time again, this is what SM was writing about.
Bella and Edward, unconditionally loving each other even though they really shouldn’t and Bella loving Edward whatever he was it didn’t matter. Same with Jacob the acceptance of him as a wolf she still loved him, even Charlie loving Bella in knowing she was different.
Self-sacrifies- Every single book sees Bella willing to do this for those she loves. Ballet studio, Voltura, in the mountains and in the clearing all this is out of love pure love for her family and friends.
PURE LOVE IS UNCONDITIONAL

Erose,
This type of love covers everything from queasy stomachs and warm fuzzy feelings to strong sensual passion.
Bella and Edward- In Twilight, actually throught the Saga, Bella constantly gets this feeling from Edward, quickening heart beat, unable to breath and the sensual love between them is astronomical. They are the strongest type of Erose, in the Saga.
They feel uncomfortable to be away from one another and think of each other continuously, one can not live without the other, even if they continued to “live”, they really would not be happy or content because they are part of one soul. They are “in love” with great intensity, and their passion for one another is constant as Bella says in Breaking Dawn she is torn between her love and passion for Edward and Her need to see Renesme.

Bella and Jacob- This does feature this type of love, more so on Jacob’s side than Bella but it is present. Jacob is “in Love” with her for sometime, he has a passion for her envisioning their future if it was not for Edward, always wanting to hold her and be near to her, but it is just not dtrong enough but that id due to Bella intensity for Edward. If Jacob left she WOULD get past it with Edward, it would still be hard, but we see the difference when Edward leaves Bella and When Bella says good bye to Jacob, it is different but the love is there.
There others that experience this love are all of the cullens to their others halves.

5. Erote: Love inspired by the physical attraction between a man and a women.
This I m a little suck on, I am going to say this is about seeing the other as attractive.
Bella and Edward this does happen for them but not first of all. Edward does not see her as beautiful and then fall head over heels, he sees Bella first then sees her beauty. Bella does see Edward as Beauty but, this is not what keeps her attention to him
I think that Rosalie and Emmett fit this more with Emmett thinking that love Must include passionate love making

6. Xenia: This has to be from Breaking Dawn. Esme wants nothing but to make her guests happy and comfortable and then this brings a admiration from Jacob that she cares to do that even for leah, who is not all that easy. But, their does because this love between them for that.

OK I know this is absolutely far too long but I hope I ve covered the points right

Hope I don’t bore you all

Gem
Ok Tara brilliantly written!

Photo of small Bear attacking big question:

Who in the world comes up with these questions.
Shouldn't we vote on getting a new inquisitor?
not only six catagories but "our favorite?

Ok here goes
1. Storge: Natural affection, such as the love a parent has for a child. One of my favorites is when Edward asks Carlisle to forgive him for saving Bella's life. And Carlisle asks "Forgive, Why I am so proud of you.. I also loved it when Carlisle was asked why should we risk anything to save a human, and Carlisle says We are all Cullens now. My third choice is in Midnight sun where Edward reads every ones mind as they discover that, he has fallen in love with Bella, and when he reads Esmes mind all he can read is pure Joy. And I like the moment when Bella 's confusion turns into joy when she first senses thumper.

2. Phila: The love that develops between two or more friends. I really like the scene where Edward tells Jacob that he is like a good friend, and Jacob mentally agrees "like a friend who stinks terribly" Also when after giving Alice S...T for a week before the wedding, when Bella goes to her and says, "your the best sister in the whole world"

3. Agape*: pure love, loving solely for the sake of love. I felt the scene where Bella's heart aches and she tries to comfort Edward over his distress at probably either killing her or turning her. (even though they cared for each other, I thought that that this is an agape moment. When Bella offered to leave with Jacob rather than have him join "Sam's cult"


4. Erose: (Original definition) The love that can develop between a man and a women. When Bella says I love you and Edward answers you are my life now. When Bella is in the meadow and Edward tells her the extent of their physical love might be limited to his only being able to hold her. And she replies That is enough. (Also a form of agape love) And when Edward says I couldn't live in a world in which you didn't exist..

5. Erote: Love inspired by the physical attraction between a man and a women.When Edward first kisses Bella and she is all over him. When Bella says "he was looking at me with a different kind of hunger in his eyes" and my stomach did a flip.. When Bella tells Edward "A couple of semesters of college are starting to sound much more appealing. Why am I covered IN feathers! And when all of poor Alice's night gowns get turned into rags.

6. Xenia: The love that develops between a host and his guest.**The host fed and provided quarters for the guest, who was expected to repay the hospitality only with gratitude.When Tanya and her family stay with the Cullen's and offer to die with them. But Carlisle refuses. When Charlie falls in love with their constant visitor Alice. When Esme prepares food and clothing for Jacob to take to his favorite patch of grass..
Wow doc

.Great Job You guys, I am collecting the Top Ten Stephanie Meyer, Twilight Saga discussions of 2009 and this one is defiantly going on the list. Well Done Well done indeed.

Doc,
I just wanted to say and i m sure I speak for us all that answer your questions, you continually thank us for answeringand thank us for inspiring but its you we owe thansk to for thinking of the questions that create these answers in the first place

Luv your friend
Sneaky Cat
Dear Sneaky,
Thank you for your kind compliment. But if it wasn't for you and the other Roses there would be no questions.

Proud to be called :"Sneaky Cat's" Friend,
Doc B
You are more than welcome :)
This whole discussion is brilliant, it's so interesting to see what did people or examples that are so different and then when people have said the same ideas.

Tara i like thatyou mentioned mike, eric and tyler i would not of thought of them
1. Storge: Natural affection, such as the love a parent has for a child.

Bella's love for her nudger when she realizes that she is pregnant.
Charlie buying Bella a vehicle for her to get around and putting chains on her tires before she gets up on an icy morning.
Esme's love for her "children" in the Cullen house.

2. Phila: The love that develops between two or more friends.

Alice and Bella become the best of friends who can trust each other with secrets.
Bella and Angela who know that they can talk to the other person and not have to worry about the entire town knowing what is going on in their lives.
Edward, Jacob, Seth, Emmet, Rosalie, and Alice all find that they are able to rely on each other even though it was once though as unlikely.

3. Agape*: pure love, loving solely for the sake of love.

Bella and Edward, Esme and Carlisle, Jasper and Alice...They all are an essence of pure love to me. The did not get together out of lust but instead out of an insatiable love.

4. Erose: (Original definition) The love that can develop between a man and a women.

Renee and Charlie had a bond that continued even though they were not longer married that could not be broken.
Sam and Emily who had a love bond that was so strong that even though she was almost killed by him could not be broken.

5. Erote: Love inspired by the physical attraction between a man and a women.

Mike's attraction to any female that was in any way attractive looking to him.
Billy's attraction to Sue Clearwater even though it was evaded by words there was implication that he was attracted to her.
Sue's attraction for Charlie and wanting to be there for him when things seemed like they were at their worst in both of their worlds.

6. Xenia: The love that develops between a host and his guest.**The host fed and provided quarters for the guest, who was expected to repay the hospitality only with gratitude.

James and Victoria's relationship and the amount that she depended on him to be there to tell reassure her that she was doing things that pleased him.

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