The Twilight Saga

"The Proposal" A Scene Analyses, From The Novel "Eclipse." What Do You Think Bella Swan and Edward Really Felt About His Proposal? And, "How Did You Feel As You Read the story Of Edward's Proposal?

 
"The Proposal" A Scene Analyses, From The Novel  "Eclipse."  What Do You Think Bella Swan Really Felt About Edward's Proposal? How Did Edward Feel About It? And, How Did It Make You Feel As You  Read the story Of Edward's Proposal? 
 

 

Introduction: The prelude to Edward's marriage proposal, to Bella Swan, starts on page 455 of the novel "Eclipse." It is one of the most emotionally charged scenes in the entire novel. Interestingly the emotions of the two protagonists, Bella and Edward, appear to be polar opposites. (Protagonists: The main characters in a story)

 

 

Bella, starts by explaining to Edward how she feels about the prospect of marrying him.  "I can't believe that I am going along with this!" And "Can you imagine what Angelina will think?... Ugh!"

 

 

Edward, Q: " It doesn't have to be a big production. You can wear an old pair of Jeans. We can go to Vegas!"
Bella thinks to herself, that she can demonstrate how little significance the ceremony holds for her, by even lowering Edward's proposed dress standards. She can just wear an old pair of sweat pants to the "ceremony." 

 

 

Edward, Q:  "Do you want to see IT!  (referring to the engagement ring, he desperately hopes Bella will accept) Edward adroitly gets THE TERRIFYING LITTLE BLACK BOX out of his night stand. The box which holds the physical object, that Edward treasures more than any other in the entire world. It is Elizabeth Mason's wedding ring. The same ring Edward's father had given his mother. The same ring which she had worn until the day that both she and Edward had died. The ring that was on her hand, as she desperately clung to Doctor Cullen's jacket, begging him to save her boy's life. 

 

 

Bella, Q:  "Edward's liquid topaz eyes were suddenly shinning with excitement. "NO!" Bella almost shouts at him. Edward dejectedly says "It can wait."
Then Bella finally relents and says "Show me the DAMNED ring, Edward."

 

 

Later after Bella had allowed him to slip the ring on her her hand. Ostensibly (ostensibly; appearing to be for one reason, when it may be for an entirely different reason ) so that he can see if the ring needs to be sized. Bella regrets that she had recently broken her right hand and not her left. For if she had been fortunate enough to have broken her left hand, her RING FINGER would have been too swollen for Edward to slip THE RING on. Bella then shows Edward her hand with Elizabeth's ring in the PLACE that Edward had "dreamed" that it would be, and stay for eternity. Bella, Q: "You like that don't you." Edward replies "YOU HAVE NO IDEA." (To Edward this is possibly the most exciting moment of his entire life.  

 

 

Edward then falls to one knee. Causing Bella to moan, "Oh NO!" As she wonders to herself if there will ever be an end to this nightmare.  

 

 

Edward says: "Isabella Swan, I promise to love you forever - every single day of forever. Will you marry me?
A long list of alternative responses flash through Bella's mind. After deliberating over different options,she finally says,  yes!

 

 
"THANK YOU!" Edward says. Bella replies, Q  "He took my left hand and kissed each finger tip, before he kissed the ring THAT WAS NOW MINE!

 

  

  White Rose discussion question:

What do you think Bella Swan was really feeling durring this scene? How do you feel Edward felt about it? And, How did it make you feel as you read the story of Edward's proposal? 

 

 

   As always we sincerely look forward to learning your opinion. Yours, Doc

 

 

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What do you think Bella Swan was really feeling durring this scene? How do you feel Edward felt about it? And, How did it make you feel as you read the story of Edward's proposal?

I think Bella just wanted to be with Edward forever... just didn't expect that Edward would want marriage. She was afraid that her mother would put her down because Renee has drilled in her mind about how marriage should be for adults who are in their 30s and such.... She knew she wanted to be with Edward, just didn't think she would get married as a human.

I think Edward wanted to announce to everyone that Bella was HIS... and that he loves her and I think the ring implies alot of things. He wanted something from his past to be linked with Bella. I mean like his parents ring implies love for they got married and died *not exactly same time but still*...

When I read about them in the proposal scene, I felt happy but also understanding why Bella would be a little hard head about it. I mean I know what she meant by She is not the girl. I am not either but I do want to get married. She was afraid people would jump to conclusion that they are getting married because they were expecting not because they are in love. Alot of people judge people by actions or looks or whatever. They never stop to think "Oh she really loves Edward and Edward really loves Bella".... you know?

Sorry if it isn't wonderful comment like I usually have good input. :) I try.... :)
hey its the same way i felt when i read the proposal part
You did? Hmm interesting. :)
Dear Toni,
You have lots of great thoughts as always. But your opinion that "the ring" united Bella with every thing that Edward loved from the past is just wonderful. I hadn't really thought of that but once you do, you see how important it would be to him. And your thought that "Edward wanted to tell the world that Bella was his, is another great thought. He was Sooo excited. And since he came from an entirely different age the meaning of marriage is much different for him than it is today. Back in the "old days" it meant love, and commitment forever.He did learn his beautiful manners from watching his father show his mother the respect and love he felt for her. An example of how different their "cultures" were was when he felt bad that Bella hadn't waited for him to open her car door. To his father getting his mother's door was just one of many ways he said "I love you, and you are special. Thank you for sharing with us, Doc

Hi doc!
Wow, that's some analyse, but it make perfect sense!
When I first read this scene, I already know the answer to his proposal, it is a definite yes, and of course there might be some 'dramas' to it, but when I actually read it, I literally laughed my butts off. I am amused that Bella actually do care what others might think, and the way SM described Edward's expression, well, if I were to use my poor imagination, it turns out to be hillarious. But, overall, I would say this icould be a romantic scene too, only Edward's proposal is sort of weird to me.

Now, to answer your question. What Bella felt.
Honestly, she's a mixture of emotions here. As you mentioned before, she at first was embarassed, afraid of what people might think. And to me, she cares a lot of what her parents might think, obviously her mum didn't want her to repeat her mistakes. Yet, she do also feel some sort of desire and fulfillness when Edward proposed to her, isn't this her dream come true? To be with him forevere, just a little addition to their relationship. In a nutshell, her objective is clear, of course she would say yes, but don't know when. Unable to resist Edward's puppy face, she thought to herself, well, why not now? Despite the 'thoughts' of others on it though...

Edward's perspective
He is confident in Bella, but not of himself. He wanted to 'possess' her in anyway he can, and of course the best is through marriage. He has a weaker self-esteem in this relationship, always the one giving, but not foreseeking. And when he decided to propose, despite his confidence in Bella, he still have the doubt on whether would she accept, and if it is delayed any longer, he feared that she would change her mind. So, in this scene, I bet he is as nervous as Bella was, although both of them are absolutely sure of each other, that sort of doesn't make sense don't they?? Haha...

That's my opinion anyway. It's good to be back!:)
wits about 12 midnight when i read hat part & bella always loved edward more than anyone could love someone
bella just dosent want it to be celebrated ,pompusly
Rene is not at fault she got married &divorced & again married so its natural that she would say bella to be carefull
she would not want bella to suffer like her
on the other hand edward is desperate cause if he wont declare her as her wife there might be still a chance for jake
even edward wants to offically let every know that bella is only & only his not anyones else
so both at there on places r right
both think right i there own ways
Nicely said Georgia!!! Wow that is exactly what I was trying to say in my post LOL. You said it better than I did. lol. I think I stumbled around alot trying to get my meaning across.

I totally agree. I know she has no problems with forever with Edward... just the marriage scares her silly. I have heard often that marriage does change relationships often so I am sure she thought that too. Hmmm maybe I got to rephrase my post but its too late LOL.
Thank you Georgia. You are too kind. :) I am a self critic to myself lol.
lol yeah i hear you lol
bella is a mixture of emotions, at this moment theres no doubt that she wants edward forever but just not in the way he does(for now). You see bella is a people pleaser, she pleased her mum and made her happy by moving to forks(or rather bella thought she's giving her mum happiness), in new moon she was pleasing charlie by trying to get on with her life and here in eclipse we see it with her giving in and letting edward give her the ring(just show me the damn ring edward)... once the ring was in place all her embarrasment dicipated and i think if she was the type she would have basically cooed at the ring and oohed and aahhed. So in my opinion she was just as elated as edward was at that stage only she's more like charlie with her emotions

Edward is a insecure in himself still after all this time(which will be 1 of my reasons to comment on the why did edward invite jacob discussion) and he's an old soul as well. Also it has to be nerve racking for a man to propose not just vampires, i'm referring to any man who has ever had to ask someone to marry him. Now how nervous was this vampire who thinks he is not worthy of this human girl? In his world when men and women who profes to love each other marraige is the next logical step. He knows bella loves him but still that insecurity is there and what with jacob feeding that insecurity. And here's the similarity between these two love birds:Edward is just as much a people pleaser as bella. He has pleased his family on many occassions and even here pleases bella even after she all but screams NO! she doesnt wanna see the ring. Edward knew now after bella accepted, that she chose him, yet he never asked her to choose ever(the words bella u have to make a choice never came out of his mouth EVER) Edward knew her well enough to know that bella would never go back on her word and thats the reason why he was so elated and not at the acceptance of the proposal as such(completely my taking on this event please dont bite my head off any1). I do feel he felt a bit rejected but we'll only know that if Edwards POV ever gets written(Wishful thinking hehehe)

Now how did i feel? Well i could have just about thrown water at miss Swan(i love bella dont get me wrong). But here is the epitome of most womens desire and she's brusing his ego FCOL. Just show me the damn ring!!! i would've just about walked out if i was edward, but being edward and having to wait about 90yrs to find the woman u loved, gave him that calm which in turn managed to get me not to hyperventilate. calmness restored, i felt for bella and understand that she was a bit embarrased but my sentiments were definitly with edward
Dear Layla,
You say '"he (thinks that he) is not worthy of this human girl? A powerful point. Just like Bella doesn't think that she is worthy of him. People tend to see Edward as this tower of strength (which he is) but when it comes to Bella he has powerful insecurities IE Edward to Bella: I asked Carlisle and my brothers about it (the experience of having sexual relations with a woman). Not only does he have to worry every second about killing his bride, he has to worry about pleasing her as well. And when he proposes he is also worried, Edward, Q: PLEASE! Don't ruin this for me" To Edward his proposal symbolizes so much and he doesn't even know if the woman he loves will turn it into a joke, or mock him. He knows that it doesn't mean the same thing to her, but it means so much to him.

I agree with you Layla. I think that Bella's bravado about not caring about the proposal is a hoax, that she is playing on herself. Yes she doesn't want to get married so young. But I think that another part of her desperately wants exactly what Edward wants. But that she just can't bring herself to admit it. Within minutes of her getting through the wedding she dreads. She is telling Alice "You are the best sister in the whole world" For making the dream wedding that she really wanted. Even though she conciously didn'y know that she wanted it.. Bella, Q: Charlie put my hand in Edwards. And my upside down world suddenly turn up straight."

That was an unusual spot. Bella went from "Show me the Damned Ring!! To Please Edward. This is one place that Bella is lucky she was dating Edward. Because if it had been me she was dating, not only would Bella not have seen her ring. She and I would have had a long talk about if there is something that is so fundamentally important to one of us, and the other can even show common courtesy about it, then may be considering being together forever isn't realistic.
I been really busy lately and I don't want to give a short answer with out thinking about this, so I will get back when I have time,

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